Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil [2:138]
(We take our) colour from Allah, and who is better than Allah at colouring. We are His worshippers.
(We take our) colour from Allah, and who is better than Allah at colouring. We are His worshippers.
Maitreya Maitreyan Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil
The plants developed the photosynthesis, the dragon fly developed its
colors, Nikon produced the camera and I took this photograph...:) And
the credit goes to....
Maitreya Maitreyan Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil The plants
developed the photosynthesis, the dragon fly developed its colors, Nikon
produced the camera and I took this photograph...:)
46 minutes ago · Like <<>> Very silly thought..!
As we are wise human beings, we know our part of the body
and colors are developed without our knowledge and work. We know nothing until
we are grown to certain age. Do you think insects and plants are produced designed
themselves? They are creators and we are creators?
Plants developed very nice identical leaves painted in
systematic way. How plant got this ability. If you check same leaves of same
plant in many years before, they also do the same system. And you will find out
the systematic programming. Who did the programming..?
You said the dragon fly developed its colors. There are
thousands of dragon flies. They all develop their body and colors identical. How?
If you examine you will find systematic
jean programming in flies even it’s the same of a dragon fly a thousand years
back. Who did this programming?
You are ready to give credit to dragon fly. But not to the
creator of this universe. Its part of a silly thought..!
The plants do photosynthesis, not animals. And animals and human
eat these plants and some other animals and human eat these animals. These are
part of a cyclic echo system. Do you think it is planned or unplanned/accidental?
So for each system
there is systematic design. There must be a designer also. Do you think this
sophisticated echo system just happened accidentally and your camera and photo cannot
be accidental..! why we think even one safety
pin is not created itself or not created by an accident.?
You are ready to give credit to ‘insects that are part of
the system and cannot think and design any system’. Also you will be ready to
give credit to the nature of the earth the credit. But you ignore the one who
give earth and the universe its nature!
I agree the credit goes to the designer and he is the
creator of this universe.
Know the difference of our thoughts..!
Maitreya
Maitreyan Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil Your answer beg
the question Jamal, you will have to answer 'who designed the designer?' when
you proceed like this. All your answers ultimately will rest 'because I believe
so'...there is no escape from it...so why argue like this...because you have no
answers if we continue..If the designer can exist spontaneously, the option for
the universe is the same... And as proof, all that you pointed out will look so
wanting if we look into the world from a designer's point of view, if it has
some 'intelligence'.... what is missing in the universe is intelligence and
design...if you are saying there is a designer, I would say it is the most
unintelligent, heartless, full of injustice and willful an entity...
To find justice in this world is impossible, Jamal...think about all the killings, which pains all of us, even to get food, to survive, just to exist, for territory...if there is some intelligence, it would have designed the world without so much grief...why animals have to eat plants? why some animals have to eat other animals?...it is a very cruel world...the designer doesn't have an iota of kindness in it, if it has 'consciously' designed it...actually the world proves that it has no intelligence but exists with so much struggle just to hang on...all we see as designs is still wanting in intelligence...do you think it is intelligence to create diseases, mosquitoes, atheists, believers, cheaters, rapists and then put them all together...:) Such a designer will prove to be a psychopath...let alone with intelligence or kindness.
Even if we grant there is a designer...it will be difficult to find intelligence in it...ok, let us assume it made some mistakes in the beginning... but why still continue for all these years in the same vein?....don't the designer learn from its experience?...at least the human designers learn not to make mistakes, which they committed earlier... Well I am flabbergasted by its intelligence of creating 'creatures' like me...at least, it is 'unintelligent' in my case...:)
We now know how the world and its mechanisms work, that is why we can transform it according to its possibilities...we don't need a designer to explain the workings of the world...I feel sad and sorry for you...such an intelligent person, who can argue in the above vein...still can't see the obvious...:(
A personal question...do you live on the earnings of propagating religion...then I can understand your logic and fervent and it is your business to do so...if you are not living from its earnings then I would like to continue this discussion... otherwise I don't want to offend your sensibility...nothing fruitful will come out of it...love
To find justice in this world is impossible, Jamal...think about all the killings, which pains all of us, even to get food, to survive, just to exist, for territory...if there is some intelligence, it would have designed the world without so much grief...why animals have to eat plants? why some animals have to eat other animals?...it is a very cruel world...the designer doesn't have an iota of kindness in it, if it has 'consciously' designed it...actually the world proves that it has no intelligence but exists with so much struggle just to hang on...all we see as designs is still wanting in intelligence...do you think it is intelligence to create diseases, mosquitoes, atheists, believers, cheaters, rapists and then put them all together...:) Such a designer will prove to be a psychopath...let alone with intelligence or kindness.
Even if we grant there is a designer...it will be difficult to find intelligence in it...ok, let us assume it made some mistakes in the beginning... but why still continue for all these years in the same vein?....don't the designer learn from its experience?...at least the human designers learn not to make mistakes, which they committed earlier... Well I am flabbergasted by its intelligence of creating 'creatures' like me...at least, it is 'unintelligent' in my case...:)
We now know how the world and its mechanisms work, that is why we can transform it according to its possibilities...we don't need a designer to explain the workings of the world...I feel sad and sorry for you...such an intelligent person, who can argue in the above vein...still can't see the obvious...:(
A personal question...do you live on the earnings of propagating religion...then I can understand your logic and fervent and it is your business to do so...if you are not living from its earnings then I would like to continue this discussion... otherwise I don't want to offend your sensibility...nothing fruitful will come out of it...love
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Dear Sir, First part of your questions concludes who is the
designer of the designer. .!
Everything in our universe demands a designer or creator,
because laws of our universe are like that. But outside the universe it needs not to be
like that. Then how?
We don’t know. The creator of the universe must be out of
its existence since he created it. We live in this universe and we can only
imagine everything with respect to time space and quantity. And time, space, quantity is depending on the
universe. And hence out imagination also.
So the creator who is out of the universe is out of our
imagination and we can’t imagine such a creator without begin and end, while
our creator is like that.
Its only our limitation to hold in our brain such a creator
who is neither begets not born. Quran says our Creator is like that.
[112:1]
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, 112:2] Allah, the Eternal
Refuge. [112:3] He neither begets nor
is born,
[112:4] Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
Next thing is Justice..!
Allah created the first man and woman without any trouble. Starting
from their children, mankind begins disputes. It is the mankind making all injustice since
Allah created our life and death to try who is best of deeds and to reward
according to they deserve.
I agree with you, no justice can be seen and is not possible
in this world. For eg, the man killed one innocent and one hundred thousand
innocents could only be given maximum one execution. So for the complete justice Allah designed a judgment
day where everybody will be examined to each and every deed.
[3:185]
Every soul will taste
death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of
Resurrection. So he who is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise
has attained [his desire]. And what is the life of this world except the
enjoyment of delusion.
Next thing you said about mistakes in creation. But Allah
says there are no any mistakes. He might not created everything as we want, but
as he wish.
Its because everything goes systematic, we sent Curiosity
exactly to mars with prior calculation, from earth to a planet which is crores
of kilometer away.. to a marked valley of mountain in mars. So the system of
the universe is very accurately designed and in earth we could see a lot of
issues due to the mistakes from human hands.
[67:2]
[He] who created death and life to test you
[as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the
Forgiving - [67:3] [And] who created
seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful
any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?
And your personal question about earnings..!
I spend my time for propagation to earn for the herein after
only. And there is no compulsion in
religion. It’s your freedom to accept and reject. This is only a warning and
message..!
[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance
of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever
disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy
handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Maitreya Maitreyan Jamal
Moidutty Thandantharayil
Hmmm...so, after all, you live by the earnings of religion. So it is your
duty...I understand...my answers are impediments to your life and to your existence...alright
then...you can continue...I know the terrain on which we both now stand...:)
When you talk of a creator outside of the creation, how you come to know of it...even its existence...how you come to know of its intentions...how you know its designs...its liking and disliking? Have you or anyone have special privilege to access the non accessible? When you pose a non-accessible creator and then stand as if you or anyone know its designs won't stand any logic...'only you believe what I say or...' will stand...so don't play PA to the designer.
You could only answer logically...it is written so in the Koran and it is given as revelation...:).. but then the designer is so late to inform the designed beings it created...all the prophets before Mohammed couldn't access this 'nugget' of knowledge...and he wrote that in only one language...again denying access to rest of the humankind...what will happen on judgement day when those who lived before Mohammed raise the issue that they didn't know Koran and they didn't have the access to this knowledge...will they all be absolved of their mistakes because of this designer's lapse...that will be so discriminatory and unjustifiable...because of the lapse of the creator those who born after the revelation are judged and punished...if those who came before were punished...that is more injustice....:) There are thousands of islands where human beings are and no prophets or rabies yet reached with Koran...and they are all dying before the designers intentions were revealed to them....what an 'unplanned' and serious lapse' from the side of this 'all knowing' designer? Probably on the judgement day this designer will be hanged for its lapses rather than others...for the 'conscious' mistakes and lapses it committed... personally I will bash the creator for creating me and the mosquitoes...this is for sure...:)
There is no 'law' in nature or the universe even though we, humans, say so...what we say 'law' in science is that it is generally so or it is approximately so...so don't tell me there are laws in nature...even the boiling point of water will change when we take it out of earth, it will vary according to pressure and gravity...the sun rising in the east is no law in the poles...it never rises there...the day and night which is so much reality for the people who live on the equator has no meaning for the Eskimos who live in the northern pole...so there is no law in nature, which is immutable...so your argument that we need a designer for explaining the workings of the universe is because of 'your' logic not mine..so there is no 'we' there between us in our understanding...for you because you depend on a 1400 year old book...may not understand the workings of the world..but people who like me who science to know the workings of the world have no difficulty in explaining these problems...There is no beginning for the universe but only changes...the universe without cessation undergoes changes...and we, humans, need beginnings to understand or measure the universe...hence all beginnings...there is no beginning for Kerala, it is humans who put a sign board there...and create a beginning for Kerala...then say Tamil Nadu starts or Karnataka starts...we humans create all beginnings hence your need of a creator or designer....I don't need your creator or designer to understand...
Why these ‘nincompoop’ designers in the first place want to create? When you say 'the first male and female were created with no difficulty' and then the humans went astray...didn't the all knowing creator know this will happen? Then why it wants to know who is best and give reward? It wants to start some Olympics? Got bored because existing alone? If it is the boredom which drove its creation, then creation is the need of the creator and not the created...Now you will start saying 'don't ask me, how can I fathom the intentions of the creator, I am just a small created being'....if that is the answer don't tell me 1400 year old dreams of an illiterate is what this creator is at best delivers...it is a joke Jamal...even though you want to sell it...choose the gullible for I know better...so come with better arguments than with that old book...:)
When you talk of a creator outside of the creation, how you come to know of it...even its existence...how you come to know of its intentions...how you know its designs...its liking and disliking? Have you or anyone have special privilege to access the non accessible? When you pose a non-accessible creator and then stand as if you or anyone know its designs won't stand any logic...'only you believe what I say or...' will stand...so don't play PA to the designer.
You could only answer logically...it is written so in the Koran and it is given as revelation...:).. but then the designer is so late to inform the designed beings it created...all the prophets before Mohammed couldn't access this 'nugget' of knowledge...and he wrote that in only one language...again denying access to rest of the humankind...what will happen on judgement day when those who lived before Mohammed raise the issue that they didn't know Koran and they didn't have the access to this knowledge...will they all be absolved of their mistakes because of this designer's lapse...that will be so discriminatory and unjustifiable...because of the lapse of the creator those who born after the revelation are judged and punished...if those who came before were punished...that is more injustice....:) There are thousands of islands where human beings are and no prophets or rabies yet reached with Koran...and they are all dying before the designers intentions were revealed to them....what an 'unplanned' and serious lapse' from the side of this 'all knowing' designer? Probably on the judgement day this designer will be hanged for its lapses rather than others...for the 'conscious' mistakes and lapses it committed... personally I will bash the creator for creating me and the mosquitoes...this is for sure...:)
There is no 'law' in nature or the universe even though we, humans, say so...what we say 'law' in science is that it is generally so or it is approximately so...so don't tell me there are laws in nature...even the boiling point of water will change when we take it out of earth, it will vary according to pressure and gravity...the sun rising in the east is no law in the poles...it never rises there...the day and night which is so much reality for the people who live on the equator has no meaning for the Eskimos who live in the northern pole...so there is no law in nature, which is immutable...so your argument that we need a designer for explaining the workings of the universe is because of 'your' logic not mine..so there is no 'we' there between us in our understanding...for you because you depend on a 1400 year old book...may not understand the workings of the world..but people who like me who science to know the workings of the world have no difficulty in explaining these problems...There is no beginning for the universe but only changes...the universe without cessation undergoes changes...and we, humans, need beginnings to understand or measure the universe...hence all beginnings...there is no beginning for Kerala, it is humans who put a sign board there...and create a beginning for Kerala...then say Tamil Nadu starts or Karnataka starts...we humans create all beginnings hence your need of a creator or designer....I don't need your creator or designer to understand...
Why these ‘nincompoop’ designers in the first place want to create? When you say 'the first male and female were created with no difficulty' and then the humans went astray...didn't the all knowing creator know this will happen? Then why it wants to know who is best and give reward? It wants to start some Olympics? Got bored because existing alone? If it is the boredom which drove its creation, then creation is the need of the creator and not the created...Now you will start saying 'don't ask me, how can I fathom the intentions of the creator, I am just a small created being'....if that is the answer don't tell me 1400 year old dreams of an illiterate is what this creator is at best delivers...it is a joke Jamal...even though you want to sell it...choose the gullible for I know better...so come with better arguments than with that old book...:)
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The existence of the creator is clearly convinced if you
examine your existence. That is very simple logic to look around. Quran also
says that:
[88:17] Then do they not look
at the camels - how they are created? 88:18] And at the sky - how
it is raised? [88:19] And at the mountains - how they are erected? [88:20] And at the earth - how
it is spread out? [88:21] So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a
reminder. [88:22] and are not invested
with the authority to compel them.
The creation of a camel is very special for the desert. It
is given even special coverage for its eyes to have minimum vision on sand
storms keeping its eyelids open. The man in the desert even after many
thousands of years can’t develop anything like that required to live in desert
as what camel have…!
You are talking about science and logic.
What is science?
Science may be defined as ordered knowledge of natural
phenomena and the rational study of the relations between the concepts in which
these phenomena are expressed – WC Dampier: A History of Science. Page 13
So it is simply the study of the matter and universe around
us. The study depends upon the matter and material universe. Out of universe or
out matter are not in the scope of science. For that the believers depends on
revelations and those arguing ‘only science is truth’, just deny creator.
The base of our Technical knowledge is theoretical knowledge.
The benefits of the society from science are the technical development. The
technical knowledge E = mc2 (E=energy, m=mass of matter, c=velocity
of light) is formed from the theoretical knowledge, that one form of energy can
be transformed to another form. Nuclear
reactors and Atomic bombs etc. are working depending with use of these laws and
property of matter. You can say that it’s the property and laws are human made.
Whatever it is, it is a truth that every matter is given some kind of
properties.
When we come to genetic we know, basis of the formation of
every creatures are the cells. It’s from that basic cell; all the other cells and
parts of the body are formed. We will find each cells are programmed exactly to
form a specific body part. The growth of cells of tooth is not same as the
cells of hair and it is totally different from the growth of cells of the eyes.
Everything is well programmed to form the correct size and correct function.
What is logic?
You agree for your Nikon camera, its designer and denies the
designer of your eyes! Very sad..!
If your eyelashes grow same way the hair grows… how hard it
might be? But each of them programmed where to start and where to stop. Very sophisticated,
but accurate design empowered through endless generations by genetics programming..!
Your quoting : ‘Why these ‘nincompoop’ designers in the first place want
to create? When you say 'the first male and female were created with no
difficulty' and then the humans went astray...didn't the all knowing creator
know this will happen? Then why it wants to know who is best and give reward?’….
The creator is not as silly as
you imagine.. You just imagine like a computer programmer with all human
limitations. But the creator is out of all your imagination..! We know him from
only what he said about him... cause, we
can’t find him with our natural or artificial interfaces to this material world
with full of limitations. He is out of the universe and we have no way to know
about him unless he informs us through his messengers who got revelations
through the Angels.
Allah is eternal and all knowing…
if knows all; why he examines us? This is your question.
Answer is he wants like that. Examination
is not only to know, but also to perform, to convince, to attain, to reward…..etc.
His rewards are so delicious, so
marvelous, so beautiful…. And more than our imagination.. He decided to give
that to those who achieve the merit.
And his punishment is so hard and
unbearable… It’s for the people who reject his orders without any solid proof
or base.
As an agnostic, do you have any aim/aspire
for your life unlike an animal? What is your plan of life? What is your origin
of life? What is your destiny? For what you live? And how you have to live? Do you
have any plan? If yes who make the plan? If no do you believe your life is just
useless? Do you have any values in life? If yes what is your hope of attain
with that values..? do you still believe Darwinism have any truth?
[76:1]Was there a period of time when man was not
even worthy of a mention? [76:2] Verily We created man out of a drop of
intermingled sperm so that We might try him, and We therefore endowed him with
hearing and sight. [76:3]Surely We showed him the Right Path, regardless of whether he
chooses to be thankful or unthankful (to his Lord). [76:4] For the unbelievers,
We have kept ready chains and fetters and a Blazing Fire. [76:5] The virtuous shall
drink from a cup tempered with camphor water.
Your Quote: ‘and he wrote that in only one language...again denying
access to rest of the humankind...what will happen on judgement day when those
who lived before Mohammed raise the issue that they didn't know Koran and they
didn't have the access to this knowledge...will they all be absolved of their
mistakes because of this designer's lapse...that will be so discriminatory and
unjustifiable...’
It’s Allah’s sovereign to decide
what must be the language of his book to mankind. But if we try to learn about
it we will find many facts:
There must be one language to
write a book for us to understand. At the time of Quran’s revelation, Arabic is
the complete language. Engilsh or other
languages were not matured as Arabic that time.
The books or the literatures at
the time of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is considered as masterpieces of Arabic language.
Arabic literature was grown up to the top of its age at that time. And still
after 1400 years the language of Quran is the standard Arabic.
If you examine other languages;
for example my language is Malayalam from Kerala. If I took a book written just
before 100 years, I could not understand its literature without the help of a
translator. It is the story of all other languages. Try to read books written
in English, before 150 years. Then you will find the specialty of Quran’s
language.
If you think about the languages
of the old scripts, like bible, torah, Vedas in India…etc, we could find that
none of these languages of the old Vedas are existing as a standard language to
understand to common people. But Quran is directly understandable to its
followers and through translations to everybody.
Quran did not bring a new
religion. Islam is a way of life, taught by the first man Adam(pbuh) to the
Final Messenger Muhammad(pbuh). It asks
to live carefully to the guidance of the creator in each and every deed of life
to attain salvation. Those lived caring the creator according to the
revelations to their age and teachings of the messengers of their society, are
all Muslims. The word Muslim means the one who obeys the creator.
[17:15] He who follows the Right Way shall do so to
his own advantage; and he who strays shall incur his own loss. No one shall
bear another's burden.
And never do We punish
any people until We send a Messenger (to make the Truth distinct from
falsehood).
[16:36] We raised a Messenger in every community (to
tell them): "Serve Allah and shun the Evil One." Thereafter Allah
guided some of them while others were overtaken by error. Go about the earth,
then, and observe what was the end of those who rejected the Messengers,
calling them liars.
Even Quran is a religious book, it give test points even to
science students to verify its divinity… See this video describing about the
sex formation of babies
about identity in fingertips :
[75:3] Does man imagine that We will not be able to
bring his bones together again?[75:4]
Yes indeed; We have
the power to remold even his finger-tips.
and plenty of miraculous words..
See what Dr. Morris Bucalli says about Quran:
- Maitreya Maitreyan Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil
To begin with, please, don't send me a lot of links because I am not going to read any of them because it will have the same logic underneath all those and your logic is not something I find as substantial...I can also send you a lot of links but I know you also wouldn't read...so let us to talk on what you wrote...one by one...
"The creation of a camel is very special for the desert. It is given even special coverage for its eyes to have minimum vision on sand storms keeping its eyelids open."
Why in the first place this designer created such deserts and then put an eyelid to save the poor camels from sand storms, which also this 'idiot' designer created? Strange logic...Then it creates oasis so that the camel will barely stay alive, so continuously suffer without dying...:) Very insightful, indeed....Then it designs humans who cannot develop eyelids in the desert...and ask them to propagate all over earth...and suffer unnecessarily because the designer couldn't make a good earth...psychopath indeed the designer of yours...Then why this designer stopped doing things now...why it is not planning a Nikon camera...did the designer stops designing once it starts in the beginning...I bet this designer of yours can never design a computer, it is beyond its capabilities...that is why such funny add on in the camels eyes...first make mistakes like creating deserts then put eyelids...clever designer indeed...:)
"So it is simply the study of the matter and universe around us. The study depends upon the matter and material universe. Out of universe or out matter are not in the scope of science."
When you simply say science is concerned only about matter and material universe...who said that there are matter and spirit in this universe. Universe means one. There are differences but there are not two things in it. What your religion or philosophy call matter and spirit are ignorant of the oneness of the universe. Science is not dealing neither with matter nor with spirit because both are not true...it is an old wrong philosophical understanding of the universe...the first human who thought about these divided the universe and you all follow like that. The universe is one but with inherent differences that is all. Science is the art and knowledge of transforming the circumstances any living being from the smallest to biggest and the single celled to the complex celled...it is not a knowledge of humans alone but the knowledge of life anywhere which can transform itself to adapt or transform the surroundings. So science deals with everything in the universe, every iota will come under its preview...it is knowledge of life itself, nothing to believe in it...
"Whatever it is, it is a truth that every matter is given some kind of properties."
No one gives properties to matter but instead we recognize something from its properties...so your logic if flawed...:)
"When we come to genetic we know, basis of the formation of every creatures are the cells. It’s from that basic cell; all the other cells and parts of the body are formed."
Who told you that cells are the basis of life...do you think it is your designer who made the 'basic cell'...there is no basic anything in the universe...cells have thousands of properties which itself will have thousands of properties...it goes on...it transforms...there is nothing basic in universe...what IS is always in flux...at least understand this...if you have some 'intelligence' your designer has accidently put inside your head...:)
" Everything is well programmed to form the correct size and correct function."
If so there won't be any malformed life beings in the universe...your designer consistently makes mistakes that is why there are so many children in the 'special' schools all over the world...your designer is very bad, my friend, at his work in putting things right.
"You agree for your Nikon camera, its designer and denies the designer of your eyes! Very sad..!
If your eyelashes grow same way the hair grows… how hard it might be? But each of them programmed where to start and where to stop. Very sophisticated, but accurate design empowered through endless generations by genetics programming..!"
If Nikon camera can be designed by a human at least you have to agree it is not created by your designer...so in this world of humans there are billions of things outside your designers intelligence...so it is not that smart as you believe...:)
How you bring genetics into this dialogue?...this is latest trick of the believers to bring scientific knowledge into such discussions then claim the credit as 'designer-will'....well Jamal your designer will be punished on the Judgment day...that is for sure, for all the lapses and omissions it made...:)
Now I have noticed you are going around seeing all my photographs and putting lot of Koran verses underneath them...it is an uncivilized act...you have done that twice and I am meticulously answering them here. So I am deleting your other comments for propagation of your religion under my photos...you have all the right to make comments on the photos but if you use such space for your religious propaganda, I would be forced to block you...don't make me do it...we can continue discussing here if you want...but if you put Koranic verse, which I mostly consider old, foolish, and trash, under my photographs I will block you...please refrain from such acts...learn to be civil at least...learn to be democratic and give space to others...:) - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil ?
You did not get the context?
If we look at to our body, and its needs to live and the facilities made ready around us for our life, we could understand the ability of him to create everything in a system. Also by studying the universe how it is created; and so on we will know more about our creator how able he is to create and sustain..!
But we can’t see him or hear him since our visibility, hearing ability and image ability are limited to time space quantity. Since the time, space and quanity are the creation of the creator, he is out of the universe and our ability is limited to attain more knowledge about him. So to know about the creator , we have to depend on what he said about him on his revelations…! - Maitreya Maitreyan Ok, then you live with your invisible useless designer who only comes in the dreams of illiterates...I am going around taking photographs but I keep my credit and won't allow your creator to share it...I don't need such an entity...but make sure it doesn't come around...I will bash it up for making mosquitoes, bed bugs, lice and morons...:)
- Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil Maitreya Maitreyan Ok, then you live with your invisible useless designer who only comes in the dreams of illiterates...I am going around taking photographs but I keep my credit and won't allow your creator to share it...I don't need such an entity...but make sure it doesn't come around...I will bash it up for making mosquitoes, bed bugs, lice and morons...:)
18 hours ago · Like · 6 <<>> Pls don't sir.. At least you can take photographs of those insects and share in face book..! ************** [78:40]
We have warned you of the approaching torment. On that day, a person will see what his hands have committed. A disbeliever will say, "Would that I had been dust".
- Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil Maitreya Maitreyan Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil
To begin with, please, don't send me a lot of links because I am not going to read any of them because it will have the same logic underneath all those and your logic is not something I find as substantial...I can also send you a lot of links but I know you also wouldn't read...so let us to talk on what you wrote...one by one...
"The creation of a camel is very special for the desert. It is given even special coverage for its eyes to have minimum vision on sand storms keeping its eyelids open."
Why in the first place this designer created such deserts and then put an eyelid to save the poor camels from sand storms, which also this 'idiot' designer created?
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If you are the designer, what would you design the universe..? since the creator is an idiot and you are so intelligent..! - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil Strange logic...Then it creates oasis so that the camel will barely stay alive, so continuously suffer without dying...:) Very insightful, indeed....Then it designs humans who cannot develop eyelids in the desert...and ask them to propagate all over earth...and suffer unnecessarily because the designer couldn't make a good earth...psychopath indeed the designer of yours...Then why this designer stopped doing things now...why it is not planning a Nikon camera...did the designer stops designing once it starts in the beginning...I bet this designer of yours can never design a computer, it is beyond its capabilities...that is why such funny add on in the camels eyes...first make mistakes like creating deserts then put eyelids...clever designer indeed...:)
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Allah created everything from nothing. And human make everything from what he created.
In another words we are utilizing his mercy..! - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil "So it is simply the study of the matter and universe around us. The study depends upon the matter and material universe. Out of universe or out matter are not in the scope of science."
When you simply say science is concerned only about matter and material universe...who said that there are matter and spirit in this universe. Universe means one.
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One? What is that?
Your proof? - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil There are differences but there are not two things in it. What your religion or philosophy call matter and spirit are ignorant of the oneness of the universe. Science is not dealing neither with matter nor with spirit because both are not true
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Then what is physics? - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil ...it is an old wrong philosophical understanding of the universe
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wrong philosophy or wrong science?
Who started talking about material science? - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil ...the first human who thought about these divided the universe and you all follow like that. The universe is one but with inherent differences that is all.
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Explain! What is losing from body when you die? - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil Science is the art and knowledge of transforming the circumstances any living being from the smallest to biggest and the single celled to the complex celled...it is not a knowledge of humans alone but the knowledge of life anywhere which can transform itself to adapt or transform the surroundings. So science deals with everything in the universe, every iota will come under its preview...it is knowledge of life itself, nothing to believe in it...
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So science is doing everything.
Then in your words science is the idiot who made desert and camel..! not the God. :)
You simply call it Science who does everything. And we call it God. - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil "Whatever it is, it is a truth that every matter is given some kind of properties."
No one gives properties to matter but instead we recognize something from its properties...so your logic if flawed...:)
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U mean everything created itself and attained properties itself except your Nikon camera and your photo..! :) - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil "When we come to genetic we know, basis of the formation of every creatures are the cells. It’s from that basic cell; all the other cells and parts of the body are formed."
Who told you that cells are the basis of life...do you think it is your designer who made the 'basic cell'...there is no basic anything in the universe...cells have thousands of properties which itself will have thousands of properties...it goes on...it transforms...there is nothing basic in universe...what IS is always in flux...at least understand this...if you have some 'intelligence' your designer has accidently put inside your head...:)
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If I say Quran told me that, you would say it’s from the idiot creator, since you are so intelligent..!
If I say it’s the Science, at least you will listen..!
So I explain:
In organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result is a cell called the zygote, which possesses half the DNA of each of its two parents. In plants, animals, and some protists, the zygote will begin to divide by mitosis to produce a multicellular organism. The result of this process is an embryo.
Cell division is the process by which a parent cell divides into two or more daughter cells.[1] Cell division is usually a small segment of a larger cell cycle. This type of cell division in eukaryotes is known as mitosis, and leaves the daughter cell capable of dividing again. The corresponding sort of cell division in prokaryotes is known as binary fission. In another type of cell division present only in eukaryotes, called meiosis, a cell is permanently transformed into a gamete and may not divide again until fertilization. Right before the parent cell splits, it undergoes DNA replication.
For simple unicellular organisms[nb 1] such as the amoeba, one cell division is equivalent to reproduction-- an entire new organism is created. On a larger scale, mitotic cell division can create progeny from multicellular organisms, such as plants that grow from cuttings. Cell division also enables sexually reproducing organisms to develop from the one-celled zygote, which itself was produced by cell division from gametes. And after growth, cell division allows for continual construction and repair of the organism.[2] A human being's body experiences about 10,000 trillion cell divisions in a lifetime.[3]
Cell division has been modeled by finite subdivision rules [4].
The primary concern of cell division is the maintenance of the original cell's genome. Before division can occur, the genomic information which is stored in chromosomes must be replicated, and the duplicated genome separated cleanly between cells. A great deal of cellular infrastructure is involved in keeping genomic information consistent between "generations".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_divisionen.wikipedia.orgCell division is the process by which a parent cell divides into two or more dau...See More - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil " Everything is well programmed to form the correct size and correct function."
If so there won't be any malformed life beings in the universe...your designer consistently makes mistakes that is why there are so many children in the 'special' schools all over the world...your designer is very bad, my friend, at his work in putting things right.
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Only human interfered in the nature. All other species were only part of the nature. There are a lot of serious mistakes happened from human with his ego and selfish mind. Such like use of nuclear weapons and chemicals which affect the nature. The result was very bad. Even all these happened from the scientific knowledge of some idiot men, they always blame the god for their foolishness..! - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil "You agree for your Nikon camera, its designer and denies the designer of your eyes! Very sad..!
If your eyelashes grow same way the hair grows… how hard it might be? But each of them programmed where to start and where to stop. Very sophisticated, but accurate design empowered through endless generations by genetics programming..!"
If Nikon camera can be designed by a human at least you have to agree it is not created by your designer...so in this world of humans there are billions of things outside your designers intelligence...so it is not that smart as you believe...:)
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I never argued that, Nikon camera is made by God. But the company made everything from existing. Everything was here before we born and everything will be here if we die.. - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil How you bring genetics into this dialogue?...this is latest trick of the believers to bring scientific knowledge into such discussions then claim the credit as 'designer-will'....well Jamal your designer will be punished on the Judgment day...that is for sure, for all the lapses and omissions it made...:)
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There is no trick. All of us born from the sperms of our father and egg cell of our mother. Even the dragon fly connected for its birth with its father and mother. It is not big logic. :) - Jamal Moidutty Thandantharayil Now I have noticed you are going around seeing all my photographs and putting lot of Koran verses underneath them...it is an uncivilized act...you have done that twice and I am meticulously answering them here. So I am deleting your other comments for propagation of your religion under my photos...you have all the right to make comments on the photos but if you use such space for your religious propaganda, I would be forced to block you...don't make me do it...we can continue discussing here if you want...but if you put Koranic verse, which I mostly consider old, foolish, and trash, under my photographs I will block you...please refrain from such acts...learn to be civil at least...learn to be democratic and give space to others...:)
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No problem. It’s up to you. I already faced all kind of responses!
Some people behave very gentile. Some are not..!
I am sorry for all the inconveniences..!
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